[00:00:00] So June ready for this conversation, kinda, you know, you know what we’re gonna be talking about? Yeah. So tell me what your take is on all this, this whole thing about kind of getting work in eight. You call me in here because I was a few minutes late and it’s getting kind of old for you. It is because I don’t think it’s a big deal.
Okay. Tell me, tell me what. Well, you know, there are times when traffic is busy, you know, or, or I wake up a little bit late. I get here maybe at8:05, 8:10, maybe eight 15 at the latest, but I always stayed until you know 5:15 or I always make, you know, get my my lunches a little bit shorter.
So it’s not like I’m cheating you guys or anything like that. Okay. So I just don’t see it. It’s not that big of a deal, you know? And when you look at this, it almost feels repetitive and old. Because it’s like, this is so picky, like literally five to 10 [00:01:00] minutes, maybe 15 minutes at the maximum, most of that, five to 10 minutes late.
And knowing that you feel so much more productive than so many people in the office, this just, it is nitpicky or you find this one. It isn’t it. Okay. I don’t want to say this. Okay. But if you look Casey on my production and scorecard, I do way much more work than Melanie. I do way more. And they might come on time and that’s fine, but I do way much more work than, than when I’m here.
It’s almost gets annoying at a certain point that it’s just like, can you find something else to pick out or find somebody else to focus on because this is a waste of time. I’m sure you can find something else, but I’m just saying it’s not a big deal, at least for me just because it’s I don’t, I have, I’m a good servant of of the public mind too.
I don’t cheat or anything. So I make up my full eight hours, five days a week. I don’t have any unplanned. Right. I know I’m always here. You know, you’ve always asked me to cover some other work. I do it all with a smile. Exactly. And so I guess the big deal, you know, and Jen, this is the thing that’s consistent with you is you [00:02:00] just function with such high level of integrity.
It’s the things you’ve talked about. You, when you do a job, you do what they take for you. I get my work done. I go above and beyond in so many ways. And, and there’s just, you look at that and you just think I really do function with this level of integrity and it just isn’t, it’s just a great sign.
That’s seriously, five to 10 minutes could be this whole thing that causes any beef whatsoever in a situation between you and yeah. So, I mean, why are you even calling me in here? You know, if you didn’t have any other unit, you would, your supervisor probably be talking to you about the production and productivity, because that’s what you do contribute to the office of what you bring to the table and what you really think is actually the office.
Exactly. And what you’d like for other people in the office to understand is that because you’re so productive, That there’s really certain rules that shouldn’t apply to you. I didn’t say that. Okay. Okay. I didn’t say that the rules don’t have to apply to me, but I’m saying I’m not, isn’t, isn’t the rule to work [00:03:00] eight hours a day.
And that’s what, that’s, what you’re hoping is that it doesn’t follow kind of what the union rules are. That since you are productive, you don’t want to have to kind of fall within those lines. I mean, if I went home early, I could, you know, I can see you talking to you and everything. Exactly. Okay. But you are putting that extra time.
You are taking this time. And so there is some ways that you really wish that people would look at you and think, you know what Jim deserve different kind of guidelines because he does things differently than everybody else does. No, I’m not asking for favoritism, but I do work my eight hours because this goes back to integrity for you.
Yes. And it’s not, you know, I don’t come in, I don’t work at the front desk, you know, I’m not the one responsible to open the doors or anything. So that’s, I don’t, I am back there. I mean, if the client has to wait five or 10 minute, I get here and I always get here exactly. Then what’s five, 10 minutes.
Usually we have people waiting hours. Exactly. So, and this gets back to the whole thing again, about the integrity thing then for you, it, it feels like it’s really not that big of a deal. If [00:04:00] customers wait an extra five to 10 minutes for you, because they could end up being waiting an hour for somebody else.
Right. And so for you to feel like as long as I’m productive and doing my job that customer that took the bus and whenever they can get on. That’s there’s nothing wrong with that. They need to understand that there’s our state employees that have that flexibility. They may not be as respectful to the customers.
Well, no, I didn’t say I’m not respectful for the customer’s time, but there’s other people here that start exactly at eight, you know, and I know, you know they’re here. Why can’t they pick up those? The cases that they’re being timely, like they’re showing up when they’re supposed to leave when they’re supposed to, but what they do in between is not the quality that you do.
Right. Cause they see maybe one client now. Two or three. Okay. And for the customer side of it, they should understand that you’re that level of productivity that if you’re showing up five or 10 minutes, like for them, they’re waiting in the lobby that extra time that the quality of service they’re going to get from you is so good that it doesn’t matter if they’re, if you show up five or 10 minutes late for that.
Well, they do get better surface probably for me, but they don’t need to know what time I come in. Okay. [00:05:00] I mean, like, like I said, if they have to wait five minutes, I mean, they don’t, you know, you don’t have to call up there and announce that I’m. I’m supposed to start at eight, but I started at 8 0 5 today or eight.
10. Exactly. So your best case, and this is what’s helpful is you talk about this more. It helps me really understand kind of the way that you look at how you’re managing this. Because again, we talked about integrity, your value around productivity and the level of contribution you do make to the office.
So when you step back and you think of June is like the ultimate employee is the ultimate, you know, state worker there’s part of that just feels like ideal. So many areas of this. These, these other areas that really don’t need to be there. And so there’s part of the things I am so productive that if I get this grace period is five to 10 or 15 minute grace period.
I deserve that, you know that’s something on a daily basis for how much I contribute that I do deserve to be outside of the norm. Because I’m outside of the norm over here and being so productive, I deserve to be outside the norm that I do deserve to be able to come in five to 10 [00:06:00] minutes late, but I don’t do it every day though, you know?
So it doesn’t happen every single day. It haven’t, you know, maybe once or twice a week, but I mean, it’s just for five or 10 minutes, it’s not a big, you know, it’s seriously how much impact that really have on the office, five to 10 minutes a week, how much it makes that really have on the office. Exactly.
So I, I guess I don’t understand where, why you need to talk to me, I guess, th this is one of the things too, Jen, that because I do respect your perspective so much, what are ways that. This could be communicated to the rest of the staff, as far as the, if productivity and commitment and integrity. Is it a certain level that there are ways that that those five to 10 minutes can be overlooked?
What are ways that we can communicate that to the staff in a way that feels like it has integrity, because you do know that people notice when you come in five to 10 minutes late, because they’ve had to feel like they pick up the slack for you and you know, that doesn’t feel true for you. How [00:07:00] much you work, you know, the level of effort you putting when you are here.
And you do know that people comment about you being five to 10 minutes late. Oh, Jim’s late again. Or yeah. When’s he coming in or is he gonna fix somebody at the pool? You know th those comments come up from time to time. What are ways that this could be framed or communicated to the rest of the staff of why you should have this extra time?
Not that I’m asking for the extra time. Okay. In those people, they probably talk too much, you know, and I don’t gossip. And yeah, maybe they do notice it, but if you show them how much work I do compared to how much work they do, maybe they would shut the, you know what okay. Because I do way more than that.
So, so one of the things you’re thinking might be helpful is if I brought them all in and showed them the level of productivity you have well you don’t, well, don’t do it in front of me. Okay. You know, I don’t w I don’t want to be, you know, I don’t, I don’t want to be the one to get special preference because of.
Okay. Okay. But I’m just saying it happens in, in, in, and there were weeks when I, I didn’t come in late at all. Right. Okay. So there are [00:08:00] times you aren’t able to manage your schedule and do it, do it the way they want to as well. Yes. But there is still this part that because, because you’re producing outside the norm, there’s part of you that you think about this, think about any of the workers, think of Malik.
I think it can. And they’re going to have these comments specifically about, you know, he doesn’t show up on time and for you. You’re looking at the overall performance of what you do, and it doesn’t seem like that big of a deal. If you and I don’t have these conversations, that it seems like you do get preferential treatment.
Because this is just part of, this is not even my roles as the union that you guys agreed on. And so it’s not even me enforcing that. It’s I want to support you in being the ultimate employee that you want to be. And if you see yourself as the ultimate employee, somebody that’s productive, that gets.
At five to 10 minute leeway in the morning. If that’s what you really believe, then let’s figure a way to communicate that to the staff. But if you produce a certain level, then certain things about, you know, what’s been agreed to, as far as personnel issues go, shouldn’t apply.
Well, when you say it like [00:09:00] that, it makes it seem like you need preferential treatment or something. Okay. And I’m not about that. Okay. I guess in my mind, As much work as I do. And as much as I hope, you know, the unit out and take on all the extra work, I just didn’t think it was a big deal. And the issue and the issue between the United never been around productivity or about your integrity about your work.
Never, that’s never been a conversation between you and I, because you do perform at that level. The thing that’s always interesting to me with you even should talk about this is you do have such high standards for yourself and you produce those. And then it’s just this one thing that seems so like nitpicky on one day, But then you step back and I go, is this who June really wants to be?
I can come in five to 10 minutes late, even though other people don’t do that. So it’s not even the preferential treatment it’s like, is that who Jim really sees himself as. And it’s like, I think I just don’t see you seeing yourself that way. You know, that I do deserve preferential treatment or I’m getting some level of favoritism.
So if it’s not addressed, then it [00:10:00] looks like I’m not stepping up and holding you accountable. I don’t need you to hold you accountable for the sake of holding you accountable. I just keep thinking, is this what you’re. That his, his coworkers see him as somebody that always gets to move the lines around because he deserved, he thinks he’s special or does something different than they do.
And I think not that generally cares what people think, but I don’t think that’s who he believes himself to be. And if he doesn’t believe to himself to be that way, but other people see him that way. I don’t know if that would sit well with you, especially if I didn’t bring up to you. And I just kind of turned a blind eye to it and just, you know, take, give you that.
Because that’s kind of where things are at. So this is honestly about what makes you feel like, you know what, I’m on top of this, I’ve got it. This is exactly who I want to be. This is exactly how I want to perform at work. And you’ve nailed the 95% of it without the argument. You’d be on 95% of it. And now you get to decide is that 5% that I haven’t nailed about this timeliness, I deserve that 5%.
Do whatever I kind of want to do at that time, or do I would use that [00:11:00] 5% to go, you know what? I’m a hundred percent of, I want to be at work everyday. It’s like that, if that was well, I do care. Unfortunately I do care what people think and I do you know, hold myself in a high esteem and I do want to do a good job, like you said I think I’m your best worker.
And, and if you’re actually calling, be late a few days, a week, 5% of that, then that’s fine. And mostly we used to have it, you know, one of the. Because it’s what your coworkers noticed. And that’s the thing you can focus on is, you know, yeah. I wish they’d spend time doing their jobs to focus on that.
You know, the couple of days a week that I, that may not be exactly on time. Or do you want to set the bar for our entire office to really be one of the top producing offices in our region or in the state? Because you’re right. If I were to produce like you, what would it look like June, if you were the one who showed up at eight every day and still has a level of productivity, you did.
You’re basically then like the ultimate employee. Well, our office would be the best thing. We probably get a [00:12:00] visit from Quigley and even, probably from the governor and say how well we were, if everyone worked like me. Exactly. But they don’t. Exactly. And these are the same conversations that I have with, with Melanie and Ken in terms of, you know, where do they want to be?
Because I genuinely, I believe our, our team, our office has the capacity to have over quickly shows up. And, and all of that. But, you know, the thing is, is the last thing I’m going to do is micromanage you. I don’t want to sit there with a stopwatch and say, if you make it into your morning, I just want to help support you.
And do you want to be that the ultimate employee that you want to be, not even just for the ultimate employee, because it’s just really aligned with who you want to be as a state worker. You get to decide that, well, I guess for me, I didn’t think it was a big deal, but it sounds like it is a big deal.
And, and, and I want to do a good job. Yeah, it coming, you know, coming to work on time is this is such a big deal. I know I do want to show you that, you know, I’m a good, good employee in all aspects, you know, so, you know, and you show me you’re a good [00:13:00] employee by actually having this conversation. So it’s never that you’re not showing me those kinds of things.
I mean, you consistently show me that. The thing that I look at is I keep looking at, through your eyes June, and I just keep thinking there’s one vision of. Where you show up the five to 10 minutes late, a couple of days a week, and you’re productive, then there’s the vision of you who shows up every day and does the exact same thing.
Who do you want to be? And I’d like to tell you that you shouldn’t be, but when you look at those two different pictures, it’s easy to really see. I can totally make room for myself, show up a few minutes late, and then you see the other one. How do you look and how do you feel different if you’re showing up every day, when you’re supposed to show up and still cranking out what you crank out, do you feel different about either world.
I mean, I don’t know. But it’s just, I look at the level of integrity you have. And I used to always think, I just think he would always choose the one of the guy who shows up on time, cranks it out. And there’s just no question about his productivity or his performance, because that’s who you are. Well, like I said, I want to do a good job.
I didn’t realize, I didn’t think it was a big deal, [00:14:00] but apparently it does sound like it taints, you know my, my work ethics and things like that. And that’s not, you know, definitely what I’m about. I’ll make it a point to try to make it on time every day. It makes sense. If that means we can have a little bit earlier then that’s fine.
Yeah. I mean, if you want to do that, you don’t have to, we need to do you don’t need somebody babysitting you.